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Fill in Text Boxes
I’ve got two questions regarding text.
I can’t put a fill in a text box. All the controls apply to the path or text colour only. I wanted to put a text block over an imported graphic and give it a white background but I had to put a white rectangle behind it. Am I missing something?
Also, how can you resize a text block without squashing/stretching the text? In every other Mac program I’ve used you can drag the selection handles to resize the text block and the text wraps accordingly. Again, am I missing something?
Thanks,
Ross Hurley
Ross Hurley
On each text box, on the right side, midway between the center resize handle and the lower right resize handle, there is a tiny right-facing triangle. Dragging this triangle sets the ‘wrap width’ of the text block. This changes the way lines of text wrap within the block.
From Intaglio > Help > Intaglio Help, search for ‘word wrap’ and you’ll find:
“Line Wrap Width is the typographical width (in points) of the text block for purposes of text flow. In other words, when the text in the block in broken into multiple lines, the width of each line will be no more than this value. The line wrap width applies to entire text blocks and determines the placement of centered and justfied text. If the “Wrap Lines To Width” check box isn’t checked in the text attribute inspector, the text won’t wrap from one line to the next, so it will only use a single line. This value can also be set interactively with the triangle shaped handle on the text block when it is selected.”
The on-line ‘Help’ is a very good source of info. It’s helped me a lot.
On Apr 23, 2010, at 10:03 AM, nalarider wrote:
On each text box, on the right side, midway between the center resize handle and the lower right resize handle, there is a tiny right-facing triangle. Dragging this triangle sets the ‘wrap width’ of the text block. This changes the way lines of text wrap within the block.
From Intaglio > Help > Intaglio Help, search for ‘word wrap’ and you’ll find:
“Line Wrap Width is the typographical width (in points) of the text block for purposes of text flow. In other words, when the text in the block in broken into multiple lines, the width of each line will be no more than this value. The line wrap width applies to entire text blocks and determines the placement of centered and justfied text. If the “Wrap Lines To Width” check box isn’t checked in the text attribute inspector, the text won’t wrap from one line to the next, so it will only use a single line. This value can also be set interactively with the triangle shaped handle on the text block when it is selected.”
The on-line ‘Help’ is a very good source of info. It’s helped me a lot.
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the organization is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that this could be a collective labor of love and the tools are there. I would not dream to give a second of my time to Adobe but Intaglio is entirely another matter.
Regards
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the organization is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that this could be a collective labor of love and the tools are there. I would not dream to give a second of my time to Adobe but Intaglio is entirely another matter.
Agree wholeheartedly. I doubt I’d have anything to offer but would more than happy to donate in any way I could.
Julie
On Apr 23, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Julie Martin wrote:
I agree and that’s how I learned to use Intaglio but the organization is a bit idiosyncratic. Again, it seems to me that this could be a collective labor of love and the tools are there. I would not dream to give a second of my time to Adobe but Intaglio is entirely another matter.
Agree wholeheartedly. I doubt I’d have anything to offer but would more than happy to donate in any way I could.
I am no expert either but I don’t think that this would be needed in a first stage.
The way I see things is:
1) Get an idea of how many people would be willing to give a bit of their time. I don’t think that there would have to be many but people would want to know what they are getting into.
2) Some kind of organization of the documentation (doc), call it “table of contents” (toc), would have to be arrived at. To an extent, this could probably be done on this list but it would have to be thought about and discussed a good deal: a) Such an organization ought to remain stable throughout the development of the project and also to allow as much as possible for further evolution of Intaglio. b) The extent to which the toc should be flexible ought to be decided. For instance: Should the toc be organized strictly in terms of the Intaglio tools. Should the toc be arranged in terms of various types of projects such as cad, illustration, etc. Should the toc be arranged according to the sophistication of the user? c) Could the topics simply be stored in a data base which could then be viewed in various ways to be decided later on? In short, what would be the “engine” underlying the toc? In any case, this would probably be the most difficult part of the project.
3) Some “cutting up” of the toc ought to be arrived at so that people don’t have to commit to a big chunk of time. Better commit to two small pieces and make it than to one big piece and not make it.
4) Decide of the ownership of the future documentation. My own view is that it would have to be under a GNU Free Documentation License to make any sense. If nothing else, it would take care of any problem that might otherwise arise in terms of localization.
5) A not entirely unrelated issue would be to know what Purgatory’s intentions are regarding the ownership of Intaglio in the long run, that is after Purgatory should, for one reason or the other, lose interest in Intaglio. Let me explain.
a) It is a bit like a prenuptial agreement specifying how things are
to be in case of a divorce. What such an agreement does is to arrange things before they get hot should they ever get hot. It does not imply in any way they will get hot. It also alleviates certain concerns.
b) Is there any chance whatsoever that Intaglio might one day become
Open Source.
c) What would be the relationship between Intaglio and any such
project. In particular, how much of the existing help could be used in the project. But also, what would the relationship be in the long run.
6) Get a source version control system going somewhere. I think that this might at first be unnecessary but would rapidly become so.
7) Decide what “language” would be used to develop the doc. (Here I really have no idea of what I am talking about.)
In other words, before any actual work can be started, I think that, one way or the other, most if not all of the above would have to be discussed.
Sigh.
But after that, the first part of the job might simply be to transfer to the appropriate places of the project the already existing help with possibly minor improvements.
Regards
I’d also suggest that entries be “reviewed,” not only by Intaglio experts but by beginners as well. Having once or twice participated in writing and editing manuals, I’ve come to understand that there’s no one like a complete neophyte to point out basic omissions/mistakes that are subject to expert eye-glide. :)
Julie
On Apr 23, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Julie Martin wrote:
I’d also suggest that entries be “reviewed,” not only by Intaglio experts but by beginners as well.
You are absolutely right. (I remember the days, not that long ago, when I first started in LaTeX. The docs, they were awful.)
Having once or twice participated in writing and editing manuals, I’ve come to understand that there’s no one like a complete neophyte to point out basic omissions/mistakes that are subject to expert eye-glide. :)
In fact, that is exactly the point of an svn: like in a wiki, everybody can make revisions but the svn keeps track of all of them.
Regards
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:27 -0400, “Alain Schremmer” <email@hidden> wrote:
The way I see things is:
1) Get an idea of how many people would be willing to give a bit of their time. I don’t think that there would have to be many but people would want to know what they are getting into.
I’d be happy to give a bit of my time. I’m no Intaglio expert because I only do simple things with it but I’ll try to contribute.
I remember a similar discussion occurring on the apple discussion boards regarding cocoa http://www.mail-archive.com/email@hidden/msg07180.html
Soon after, I started putting up very simple examples of the sorts of things I was learning as both a memory aid for myself and for the assistance of others. http://juliuspaintings.co.uk/cgi-bin/paint_css/animatedPaint/animatedPaint.pl
Many people had previously and have since provided similar support. Then with the arrival of the iphone and the huge number of new cocoa programmers this created, apple’s examples and documentation improved dramatically, as have two of their major systems development tools: XCode and Interface Builder. That together with the examples to be found on the web has made learning new aspects of the system far easier than before, e.g. I recently had to learn about various aspects of NSTableView and this took me just over two weeks as opposed to the two months I think it would have taken previously. Thus this “individualistic” approach definitely has things to recommend it, most especially that an immediate start is possible for anyone who has a website.
A cocoa wiki was once suggested and I keep coming across bits of it but a quick google failed to retrieve it on a first page of results. Nevertheless a wiki type approach might well work, e.g. as a location where we might post bits of advice or solutions to problems we have encountered as our learning progresses. Also, as I seem to recall someone saying earlier, this discussion group is a great resource.
Before i sign off let me mention that there has come into existence a site which to my eyes appears to be a singularly good model for what one might wish to do here and might indeed provide the venue for just such a job. http://stackoverflow.com e.g http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87695/programmatically-stream-audio-in-cocoa-on-the-mac
all the best Julius ============================ http://juliuspaintings.co.uk ============================
On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Julius Guzy wrote:
A cocoa wiki was once suggested and I keep coming across bits of it but a quick google failed to retrieve it on a first page of results. Nevertheless a wiki type approach might well work, e.g. as a location where we might post bits of advice or solutions to problems we have encountered as our learning progresses. Also, as I seem to recall someone saying earlier, this discussion group is a great resource.
Indeed, I think that a wiki comes with a lot less overhead. On the other hand, the problem with Intaglio’s documentation is mostly a matter of finding what one needs because it is generally there somewhere and, since I know nothing about wikis, I have no idea whether a wiki would help in that regard.
Before i sign off let me mention that there has come into existence a site which to my eyes appears to be a singularly good model for what one might wish to do here and might indeed provide the venue for just such a job. http://stackoverflow.com e.g http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87695/programmatically-stream- audio-in-cocoa-on-the-mac
I am not sure but this look like a forum to me. What did I miss?
Regards
Thanks to Frank and nalarider. Both problems are solved, though somewhat hard to find and, for text wrapping, definitely non-intuitive in what is otherwise a very intuitive application.
Ross Hurley
Ross Hurley
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:20 -0400, “Alain Schremmer” <email@hidden> wrote:
On Apr 24, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Julius Guzy wrote:
Before i sign off let me mention that there has come into existence a site which to my eyes appears to be a singularly good model for what one might wish to do here and might indeed provide the venue for just such a job. http://stackoverflow.com e.g http://stackoverflow.com/questions/87695/programmatically-stream- audio-in-cocoa-on-the-mac
I am not sure but this look like a forum to me. What did I miss?
I’m not sure what the difference might be except that as I said this site has become increasingly useful and supports the insertion of images. I made contact with them over the weekend and got the reply which I forward as my next posting. Julius ============================ http://juliuspaintings.co.uk ============================
Here is the message I got from the stackoverflow site Julius ——- Original message ——- From: “stackoverflow team” <email@hidden> To: “Julius Guzy” <email@hidden> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 02:23:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Including Intaglio in stackoverflow.com Hi Julius, We generally don’t do vendor support sites, but we do encourage creation of new sites in a democratic process described here [1]http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-2- 0 On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Julius Guzy <[2]email@hidden> wrote:
Hi I am a user of a drawing package called Intaglio. Recently there has been some discussion on our mailing list concerning the provision of help facilities for this program. The reason being that the system is sophisticated but the documentation does not always make obvious how to do some of the more complicated things the program can do. I have noticed in my recent trawls of information concerning Cocoa programming that your site frequently comes up and when it does, has often some useful information to impart. This made me think that perhaps [3]stackoverflow.com could be used to assist us in our difficulties. However, I have now read you FAQ and see that [4]stackoverflow.com only handles programming questions. In a (perhaps broad) sense, getting a sophisticated drawing package to turn summersaults could be construed as “programming”. Thus my question essentially is this, would it be possible for Intaglio specific questions to be included in your website? Best wishes Julius Guzy ============================ [5]http://juliuspaintings.co.uk ============================
[6]http://stackoverflow.com
References
- http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-2-0
- mailto:email@hidden
- http://stackoverflow.com/
- http://stackoverflow.com/
- http://juliuspaintings.co.uk/
- http://stackoverflow.com/ ============================ http://juliuspaintings.co.uk ============================
I’ve been exploring the inner depths of Intaglio, but one area that still leaves me cold is the Align window. Can anyone please explain how this works?
Tom
On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Tom wrote:
I’ve been exploring the inner depths of Intaglio, but one area that still leaves me cold is the Align window. Can anyone please explain how this works
Could it be the following: Somehow, I have always found the vertical and horizontal labels on the buttons a bit “counterintuitive”: When you want to have three object to sit on a horizontal line, you must use the vertical button. I guess because the adjustments are vertical.
Regards
LOL! You’re telling me!
dosen’t make a lot of sense really :? On 28 Apr 2010, at 13:41, Alain Schremmer wrote:
On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:43 AM, Tom wrote:
I’ve been exploring the inner depths of Intaglio, but one area that still leaves me cold is the Align window. Can anyone please explain how this works
Could it be the following: Somehow, I have always found the vertical and horizontal labels on the buttons a bit “counterintuitive”: When you want to have three object to sit on a horizontal line, you must use the vertical button. I guess because the adjustments are vertical.
Regards —schremmer
