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Couple frustrations & wishes
I’ve been using FW4 only lightly…working on my fourth site now. A couple of things continue to frustrate me… 1. Disappearing styles. I’ll go create a couple p styles to use, such as a 20 px indent… I label it p.indent for easy use. Then go to an already-created page to use it and the style’s not there. Go back to Master and it’s gone. What happens???
I make one change to the master, such as adding alt text to the logo image and now my content has changed on all pages. Perhaps I’ve made a mistake by creating a Master with all the necessary divs, columns in my latest case (artshotwell.com/hp), then go fill in some content on specific pages. After I discover I failed to include alt text for the buttons and the logo image, I fix that and now all pages look the same as the Master. I wish I could lock certain elements of pages from being updated by changes to other parts of the Master.
Wish I could designate certain pages to not publish.
Hi Art — :-)
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#1 -- It could be that you've created a temporary style... Freeway 4
Pro has both permanent and temporary styles, and it auto deletes the temporary ones if they aren’t applied to anything. I’ve had this happen a couple times, also with colors.
You should not label a style p.indent… Why? Well, if you type p.indent into the Name field of the Edit Styles window, the period (stop for our old world friends) is deleted. If you type it into the Tag field, there shouldn’t be any [easy] way to apply it. Simply type indent or pindent (my favorite) into the Name field, and make sure it has a paragraph attribute applied (the indent should qualify for that). Make sure the Permanent box is checked, and apply it to unstyled text :-)
#2 -- I admit that I rarely use master pages, and I mean rarely. What
I do instead is cobble on a page awhile until I have basically what I want, then duplicate it. The duplicates get changed, and if I make changes to the original page then I have to make those same changes to the duplicates. No doubt a harder way to work, but a way that is free of master page problems. Everyone decides what works best for them — only because alternative ways to do things exist. Use master pages, don’t use master pages… either way is Liberty.
#3 -- This has always seemed to me to be logical. I don't worry about
creating pages that are published when I don’t want them to — unless I forget to delete them later, or if I’ve linked to them accidentally. Pages with no links to them and are not indexable by name are never seen. To help me remember to delete my scratch pages, I give them names like ‘deleteme’ or ‘scratch page’.
I remember reading here one time, someone suggested creating new master pages as ‘scratch’ pages. They aren’t published unless they are applied to a site page. AFAIK there’s no limit to the number of Master pages in a document.
Best wishes,
Art Shotwell wrote: [quote:e75a5b7896]I’ve been using FW4 only lightly…working on my fourth site now. A couple of things continue to frustrate me… 1. Disappearing styles. I’ll go create a couple p styles to use, such as a 20 px indent… I label it p.indent for easy use. Then go to an already-created page to use it and the style’s not there. Go back to Master and it’s gone. What happens???
I make one change to the master, such as adding alt text to the logo image and now my content has changed on all pages. Perhaps I’ve made a mistake by creating a Master with all the necessary divs, columns in my latest case (artshotwell.com/hp), then go fill in some content on specific pages. After I discover I failed to include alt text for the buttons and the logo image, I fix that and now all pages look the same as the Master. I wish I could lock certain elements of pages from being updated by changes to other parts of the Master.
Wish I could designate certain pages to not publish.
Art Shotwell Using Freeway Pro 4
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As far as i know I use all master pages for each page I create in my site(s)s and each one is made by hand as a master and I have to tediously layout every damn thing on the page. But it works. A pain - YES but I use up to 9 or 10 master pages to my knowledge. That is the way I work. Long haul and old school - but it seems to work.
In the Inspector there are two options for items that have been taken rom a master page - Use Master Content and Use Master Settings - that you can use to break the relationship between the item and the master.
[quote:439b556545=”simon_aughton”]In the Inspector there are two options for items that have been taken rom a master page - Use Master Content and Use Master Settings - that you can use to break the relationship between the item and the master.[/quote:439b556545] I notice those options on -some- items, but not all.
Sometime around 22/3/07 (at 14:23 +0000) Art Shotwell said:
[quote:959f31fba3]simon_aughton wrote: [quote:959f31fba3]In the Inspector there are two options for items that have been taken rom a master page - Use Master Content and Use Master Settings - that you can use to break the relationship between the item and the master. [/quote:959f31fba3] Brilliant! Many thanks…I guess I never noticed those items. Works for me. [/quote:959f31fba3] I find those controls very useful. It helps make master page use very powerful. In part because it lets me reset items I’ve messed up without thinking back to the master object settings and/or content! :-)
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[quote:6b906778c6=”Art Shotwell”][quote:6b906778c6=”simon_aughton”]In the Inspector there are two options for items that have been taken rom a master page - Use Master Content and Use Master Settings - that you can use to break the relationship between the item and the master.[/quote:6b906778c6] I notice those options on -some- items, but not all.[/quote:6b906778c6]
They only appear for items that have been generated from a master. Not items that have been created on the page itself.
Those options don’t seem to be there for sub-items. Only the main one. I created a Master with one container div and four sub-divs, one for each column. The options aren’t there for any of the sub-divs on the pages, only for the container div.
Yes, that’s correct. You’ve spotted the problem when using child (sub-divs) items and master pages. They are entirely dependent on the container.
For this reason I no longer use masters on my site, as changing any element on a master (or in some cases just viewing the master page) deleted all the content added to child items on individual pages.
On 22 Mar 2007, at 17:31, Art Shotwell wrote:
[quote:aefcc365bf]Well, I think I’m going to be very careful about dealing with Master pages from now on.
[/quote:aefcc365bf] The problem is not child items as such - it’s inline child items. If your child item is absolutely positioned, the Use Master Content and Use Master Settings controls will still be there.
Unfortunately, an absolutely positioned item is not much use because it gets on top of everything else. However you can still position a child item at the bottom of its parent to create a footer (use the Inspector to set the Bottom Inset to 0px), and if you give the parent a bottom padding greater than the footer height, the footer will always stay clear of the other content - usually, anyway.
There are some other things you have to do. Set the height of the parent to blank (unspecified), and give the parent a padding on one other side, even if it is 1px at the top (this deals with a problem in Freeway). Oh, and you must have version 4.2.2 or later, otherwise Freeway goes haywire when you type into the parent.
It takes a lot of work to set all this up, but you get a footer that stays clear of the other content, even if you change the text size in the browser, and the footer remains a Master Page item, with its own Master Page link independent of the parent.
See my web page on the subject:
http://www.workwise-suffolk.co.uk/footer.html
By the way, if you want to create a liquid layout, you don’t need inline divs at all - but I think I’ll start another thread on that subject…
Regards
Graham Smith Bury St Edmunds
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